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The Battle of Stalingrad was the Most Important Battle of WWII

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Bolshevik-Bolshevik- (PRO)

As agreed upon with my opponent (in the comments section), we will only explain the importance of our battles in the first round. I explained in the rules that my opponent will have to choose a battle that he believes was more important than the battle of Stalingrad and argue his case. I would like to thank Nzlockie for accepting this debate and will now proceed to explain the importance of the battle of Stalingrad and how it effected the outcome of WWII.


  • The first and most obvious reason for why the battle of Stalingrad was important was because the Nazi defeat during this battle saved the Soviet city of Stalingrad from falling into German hands. The city of Stalingrad was the second most important city in the Soviet Union (after Moscow). There are several reasons for this. First of all, Stalingrad was a major production center in the USSR and the factories at Stalingrad contributed greatly to the Soviet war effort. The city sat on the Volga river and all oil from the Soviet oil fields in the Caucuses had to flow up the Volga. Also, Stalingrad was a major communication hub in the Soviet Union. In addition to all of this, Stalingrad was the city named after the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin. The loss of Stalingrad would have had huge political consequences for the Soviet Union since its allies beliefs that the USSR was losing the war in the east would have been confirmed. Therefore, the Western Allies would have been less eager to launch offensives against the axis and open a second front. With the loss of Stalingrad, the entire Soviet Union would have been greatly demoralized. However the battle was won causing Germany's allies, Hungary, Romania, and Italy, to begin questioning their alliances with Germany and start to look for a pretext to pull out of the war. While this did not immediately happen after the battle, Germany's allies started to send less troops to the front. The German army was demoralized and some politicians and officers began to plot against Hitler seeing that he was leading the German nation to destruction. Turkey entering the war on the axis side, which at the time was definitely a possibility, was put out of the question. [1]

  • Another reason that the German defeat at Stalingrad was important was because it saved the rich oil-fields of the Caucuses (Grozny, Baku, Maykop being the largest) which provided some 95% of Soviet oil. Had the Soviet Union been defeated at Stalingrad, the Wehrmacht could then have pushed into the Caucuses and seized these vital oil fields thus gaining them for the German war effort. If my opponent doubts that the battle of Stalingrad decided the fate of the Caucuses then he must only look at the fact that Germany committed a total of about a million soldiers to the capture of Stalingrad and much fewer to the capture of the Caucuses. General Alfred Jodl, chief of the OKW Operations Staff said that "the fate of the Caucuses would be decided at Stalingrad." [2] On top of this, German forces were forced to retreat from the Caucuses following their defeat at Stalingrad since the defeat at Stalingrad threatened to cut off Army Group A. The loss of the Caucus oil fields would have had dire consequences for the Soviet war effort. Without oil, how would Soviet tanks, bombers, fighter planes, and other aircraft and vehicles necessary to fight the war operate? The loss of the Caucus oil fields would have meant that it would only be a matter of time before the Soviet Union would be unable to continue its war effort. Unless a second front opened immediately diverting many German divisions elsewhere, the Germans would have been able to launch an offensive to capture Moscow and after that, the Soviet Union would have ceased to have much of an impact on the fighting in WWII. 

  • An importance of the battle of Stalingrad that is often overlooked is that the failure of the German summer offensive in southern Russia stopped the Reich from invading the British Empire. The German defeat at Stalingrad prevented the Wehrmacht from breaking into the Middle East which was lightly defended. From the middle east, the Germans could have reached India and Egypt and possible link up with Japan. Not only would Hitler have captured the British oil fields in the Middle East, he would have been able to threaten the entire British Empire.


  • Axis forces suffered a staggering 850,000 casualties during the battle of Stalingrad. Germany also lost 1,500 tanks, 900 aircraft, and 6,000 artillery pieces. Stalingrad was the bloodiest battle in history, the single largest German defeat in WWII and the largest turning point of the war in Europe. No other battle in WWII saw close to as many axis casualties as Stalingrad. [3][4]

  • There were three ways that American and British supplies reached the Soviet Union; 1) the Pacific Route 2) the Arctic route 3) Persian Corridor. The Persian Corridor came from the Persian Gulf, went on through Iran, and then through the Caucuses. These supplies greatly impacted the fighting in the Caucuses since allied supplies could easily reach Soviet troops under attack in the region. One documentary I watched claimed that some 42% of the tanks available to the Soviet Union in the Caucuses Front were British and American models. As I explained earlier, the defeat a Soviet defeat at Stalingrad would have resulted in the Caucuses being captured and the Germans being able to invade the middle east. Therefore, the important supply route through Iran would have been closed.

General Siegfried von Westphal said "The disaster of Stalingrad profoundly shocked the German people and armed forces alike...Never before in Germany's history had so large a body of troops come to so dreadful an end." [5] Even before Germany captured Stalingrad, Hitler had claimed that it was in German hands. Then for months afterwards, German propaganda had claimed that the city would fall in the next few days and that the Soviets were sending their last available divisions at the Germans. Therefore, it came as a great shock to all of Germany when the entire 6th army was encircled and destroyed. This was the first time many of the generals, officers, and soldiers in the Wehrmacht thought of the possibility of Germany losing the war. The Fascist defeat at Stalingrad was the beginning of the end for Nazi Germany. The Germans were in retreat on a scale never seen before following their defeat during the Battle of Stalingrad.


Amongst the cities and towns liberated by the Red Army in the winter of 1943 was the city of Kursk where the next major German defeat at Soviet hands would come. The Red Army would then proceed to launch offensives which would liberate Ukraine. In 1944, the Soviet Union launched Operation Bagration where four Soviet fronts encircled and destroy Germany's Army Group Center, a victory which would open the road to Berlin and the surrender of Nazi Germany. 


However none of these victories would have happened without the German defeat at Stalingrad.


Sources:


[1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/rbth/features/9942742/stalingrad-second-world-war.html

[2] http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-EF-Decision/USA-EF-Decision-17.html

[3] http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=3

[4] http://totallyhistory.com/battle-of-stalingrad/

[5] http://www.worldwar-2.net/famous-quotes/famous-quotes-index.htm


Return To Top | Posted:
2014-10-11 04:28:21
10 years ago
| Speak Round
nzlockienzlockie (CON)
I'd like to welcome the Judges and thank my opponent for setting up this debate. From a little research I understand this is a resolution which seems dear to his heart and I'm honoured to accept the first instance of it on Edeb8!

Definitions:
In this debate my opponent will be arguing that the Battle of Stalingrad was the most important battle of World War II. It will this side's contention that it was not. As per the rules, we will be adopting a share of the BOP by submitting one example of a battle that was MORE important.
But first, let's make sure we are on the same page. As my opponent has neglected to do so, I'll quickly lay out the definitions for this resolution.

The Battle of Stalingrad: During WWII, a combination of Axis powers, including; Germany, Romania, Bulgaria, Italy, Hungary and Croatia launched an attack on the Russian city of Stalingrad. This attack raged from the 23rd of August, 1942 to February 2nd, 1943, just over five months - after which time the Soviets emerged the undisputed victors.  
Most: Superlative. There were NO other battles during WWII as important as this one.
Important: A few subtle variations here but the one I'm going with is, "of great significance or consequence. 
Battle: As defined here, "An encounter between opposing forces.
WWII: Literally the Second World War, starting in 1939 with the German invasion of Poland and finishing in 1945 with the surrender of Japan.

In summation then, the complete resolution is that the 1942-1943 Battle of Stalingrad was of greater significance and/or consequence than any other battle in the Second World War. My opponent has a burden to affirm this motion, while my burden is to negate it. 
It is my belief that there are several battles which meet these criteria and could be seen to have had greater significance however my opponent has requested that I only argue one of them. I'd like to point out though that as PRO, he needs to show that his battle is MORE important than mine, while I can win by showing that my battle is either MORE important or OF EQUAL importance to his. 

Enough of this! On with the debate!
As I've already mentioned there are several popular candidates for the most important battle. The Battle of Britain is an obvious one and hugely important to the British. The Battle of Midway effectively negated the Japanese Navy in the Pacific, something that was of great consequence to Pacific nations, from Australia to the USA. In Russia, it is often seen as a three-way tie between the Battle of Moscow, the Battle of Kursk and the Battle of Stalingrad. All three of these signaled a major blow to the Axis hopes of actually winning the war, and were thus hugely important to those nations. 
A case could be made for any of these, however the battle I've chosen must surely be considered the MOST important of all. It was the Battle of Westerplatte

Consider these dominoes. The Dominoes represent the battles and even the individual actions which all took place during World War II. WWII - like any war, is action and reaction. A battle won here means resources gained there. This means a better chance of winning a different battle somewhere else. A bad decision there means a loss. This places more pressure on battles being waged in a different area... it goes on like that. 
When it comes to these dominoes, they could be different sizes, facing different ways, even splitting off into multiple trails! When they start falling, one action is going to lead to another action, then another, then another action... and eventually to our final conclusion. So which is the most important?

My opponent will be arguing that the Axis loss at Stalingrad had a flow on effect. He will be adding all of the cumulative benefits that win brought to the Allies and claiming that this, coupled with the cumulative losses incurred by the Axis powers, makes THIS battle the most important of the War. 

I will be arguing that the initial domino that started all the other dominoes falling - including Stalingrad, was of far greater significance than that. 

On September 1st, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. The first battle was that of Westerplatte. Here's a map:

In and of itself, it was a fairly minor battle. If you're interested, you can read about it here, but I'll give you the quick version:
The German Battleship, Schleswig-Holstein, opened fire in an unprovoked attack on a Polish Garrison at Westerplatte. The Garrison was manned by about 182 soldiers plus a bunch of admin type people. The small Garrison actually held out very well, and the 2,600 German soldiers actually came off second best, with the Poles losing 14 men total while Germany lost an estimated 200-300 men. But numbers eventually prevailed and Germany began its invasion of Poland. Weeks later they owned the lot.

Why was it important?
In 1934, Hitler had signed a non-aggression pact with Poland. This invasion was a breach of that pact. 
In the mid 1930's, Britain and France had essentially stood by and watched while Germany rearmed herself following her significant sanctions after WW1. Under Hitler, Germany started to make some discontented rumblings about some of the land she had lost in the treaty of Versailles. When Germany eventually took back a bunch of the land she had had stripped away from her, Britain and France tried to console everybody by guaranteeing that, no matter what, Poland would be left alone. Both nations made a series of promises to Poland that if Germany were to invade, they would immediately come to her aid. 
Well, as history reveals, it wasn't exactly the immediate response that Poland was promised, but after the Battle of Westerplatte, and the subsequent invasion of Poland, Britain and France had no option but to declare war on German. Thus began the Second World War. 

The battle itself was fairly minor in the grand scheme of the things to come, however that first domino set in motion events that would eventually affect 114 countries and claim the lives of 50 -85 million people, making it the bloodiest conflict in human history. 

When it comes to importance, the battle that started it all must surely be considered more significant and more consequential than any of the battles that followed - including the Battle of Stalingrad. 

In the next round I will be expounding on this idea by questioning whether any one of half a dozen significant battles can truly be regarded as MORE important than another. How is it measured? 
With this I will also challenge my opponent's notion of importance. Important to whom? 
The resolution provides no qualifier to indicate that the importance we're discussing be limited to Europe. The Pacific theatre of WW2 accounted for a little over 50% of the total casualties of WWII and a very good case could be made that for people living in Australia, New Zealand and possibly even the USA, the battle of Stalingrad was far less important than the battles of Midway or Guadalcanal. 

I remind the judges that I'm not allowed to argue these specific battles, however, like Stalingrad, they are all a part of World War II and can therefore all be traced back to that first battle of Westerplatte - one of the few conflicts in the war that can truthfully be traced to ALL 114 countries affected.
I will be challenging my opponent to show how a soviet victory at Stalingrad was more important to the people of New Zealand than the battle which started off the entire World War and directly threatened their homeland. 

Lots of good stuff coming up, for now I leave the floor to PRO.

Vote CON - when we say we'll have your back in 15 days or less, we mean it!       



    

Return To Top | Posted:
2014-10-11 14:50:31
10 years ago
| Speak Round
Bolshevik-Bolshevik- (PRO)
Con has decided to argue the definition of important and how that applies to the battles and events of WWII. Clearly both the battles of  Westerplatte and Stalingrad were important but in different ways. I will proceed to address my opponents arguments.

Con has provided a row of dominoes and argues that when the first domino falls and then the others start to do the same, the domino that falls first would be the Battle of Westerplatte. However he is incorrect for several reasons.

Here are two:

"The battle itself was fairly minor in the grand scheme of the things to come, however that first domino set in motion events that would eventually affect 114 countries and claim the lives of 50 -85 million people, making it the bloodiest conflict in human history."

Con claims that it was the battle of Westerplatte caused the events in the pacific theater. Was it not the Japanese bombing of Peal Harbor that caused the world war to spread to the Pacific Theater? And the events that led up to a war in the pacific, some of which can be viewed here were the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, the battle of Khalkhin Gol and Japanese expansions in China and South-East Asia. Looking at the Eastern Front, Westerplatte did not ensure that Germany would invade the Soviet Union. It was the Germany's signing of the non-aggression pact and the successful invasion of Poland and later France that caused this. As result of the German invasion of Poland, France and the British Commonwealth declared war resulting in WWII, but my opponent is claiming that 50-85 million people died in the second world war as a result of the battle of Westerplatte. Con simply assumes that since the battle of Westerplatte was the first battle of WWII, it must have triggered all the other battles in the war. I have shown otherwise. The domino effect can't be applies to all of the battles in WWII since the only thing the German invasion of Poland caused was for France and the British Commonwealth to declare war. Major powers such like the Soviet Union, the United States, Japan, and Italy were still not involved and it was not the battle of Westerplatte that caused these countries to eventually pick sides in the conflict, as I will show in the next paragraph.

"When it comes to importance, the battle that started it all must surely be considered more significant and more consequential than any of the battles that followed - including the Battle of Stalingrad."

There were events even before the German invasion of Poland and the battle of Westerplatte that set the stage for WWII. After Germany broke the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler had its military strengthened. Tanks, planes, ships, and submarines were built. The German army perfected the Blitzkrieg. More about Germany's rearmament can be viewed here but the obvious question to ask is why would Hitler have had all this done if he had not been expecting a war? Therefore, the first domino was in 1933 when Hitler broke the Treaty of Versailles. The Nazi annexation of Austria, the Rhineland, the Sudetenland and their invasion of Czechoslovakia were the next dominos. My opponent says that the German invasion of Poland was a breach in the non-aggression pact but Germany broke its non-aggression pact on April 28, 1938 months before war broke out. Then on March 21, 1939 Hitler demanded that Poland hand over Danzig. Finally, Britain and France signed a mutual assistance-pact with Poland. A few months later Germany invaded Poland causing the battle that my opponent argues is the most important of WWII since it was the first domino. However the first dominos were events before WWII, not the battle of Westerplatte.

Events before WWII also brought about the German invasion of the USSR. It is unlikely that Hitler would have invaded Poland had he not signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR. This non-agression pact included half of Poland, the three Baltic countries, and Finland becoming part of the Soviet sphere of influence. Further, the USSR could take Bessarabia from Romania. More about this pact can be read here. The non-aggression pact included the Soviet Union exporting massive amounts of food and oil to Germany. Had Hitler not managed to sign this pact ensuring that the Soviet Union would do nothing when, it is unlikely that Germany would have invaded Poland. After gaining the trust of the Soviet leadership, Hitler then backstabbed the Soviet Union and completely took the country by surprise. This would probably not have happened without the non aggression pact signed before the war began.

Now I argue that Stalingrad was the most important battle of WWII because of its effect on course of the war. When the Soviet Union won the battle, the entire war began to go in favor of the allies. Had the Nazis won the battle, I have explained how Germany would have been able to significantly weaken the war effort of the allies. The battle of Westerplatte on the other hand had no impact on the course of events in WWII. Even if Poland somehow won the battle, Germany would still have been able to successfully defeat the country.

"In the next round I will be expounding on this idea by questioning whether any one of half a dozen significant battles can truly be regarded as MORE important than another. How is it measured? Important to whom?"

Perhaps I can save Con the trouble. Clearly each battle was more or less important to different nations. What happened at Stalingrad was not as important to the nations of the Pacific as Midway as my opponent said. Similarly, what happened at Guadalcanal was not very important to the Soviet Union. So in order to determine which battle was the most important to the most people, we must look at which battle impacted the most nations and people worldwide. That battle would clearly be the battle of Stalingrad. The German defeat at Stalingrad was felt across Nazi occupied Europe and effected events in Africa where troops from around the world, including many New Zealanders and Australians were fighting and where American troops would soon have arrived. Had Germany broken into the middle east, many of these soldiers would have been brought over to fight them. Rommel would not have been driven out of Africa and therefore, the allies would have faced potential defeat on the continent and if this had happened then yes, the battle of Stalingrad was as important, if not more important, to the people of New Zealand as the battle of Guadalcanal.

I have explained why Con's domino theory doesn't work. The first dominoes were events before WWII, not the first battle of WWII. As a result of these events, it became only a matter of time before a war broke out. Hitler was determined to expand Germany's borders and he was not about to let the fact that Britain and France had promised to help Poland stop him. My opponent has failed to show how the the battle of Westerplatte caused the battles in the Pacific Theater which he claims amounted to a little over 50% of WWII's casualties.

Looking at the source provided by my opponent, the word means "Strongly affecting the course of events; significant." This is somewhat different from the definition of important that Con gave, but it is no less correct. As I have shown, the battle of Westerplatte was not the most important battle of WWII. Westerplatte was not the first domino as Con claims. Events before the war even began set the stage for the war starting. Therefore, Westerplatte was perhaps one of the least important battles of the war. Events at Stalingrad determined the course and eventual outcome of WWII. Therefore, this battle was obviously more important than any other battle of WWII.

Return To Top | Posted:
2014-10-15 02:19:12
10 years ago
| Speak Round
nzlockienzlockie (CON)
I thank my opponent for his round. I'll address his points in reverse order before continuing to build my case.

The Battle of Westerplatte was not the first domino: 
PRO spends a bit of time on this point so it needs to be dealt with. In my round I clearly stated that the dominoes represented Battles rather than events. The context of the resolution further requires that these Battles be considered a part of World War II. The Battle of Westerplatte is almost universally regarded as being THE first battle of World War II. Here are a list of sources to back this claim up: 
My claim was never that Westerplatte was the ultimate cause of World War II. My claim was that, as far as battles go, this first one was the one that elevated a conflict between two nations into a conflict that ultimately involved 114 nations. Westerplatte COULD have been one of any number of other battles that signaled the start of the German invasion of Poland. I chose it because the bulk of history agrees that it was the FIRST.

This is an important point so I'm making it in a different colour. When it comes to hindsight, we must be very careful not to play the "what-if" game. The resolution requires us to examine what happened. Not to guess at what COULD have happened. Had Stalingrad fallen, regardless of how unlikely it may look to us now, it is entirely possible that the war could have finished with the same result. Postulating about this in this debate is a wasted exercise. 
I make this point to preempt any claims that Westerplatte was not important because had it not happened, the overall result, (Poland being taken) would have remained unchanged. 

Westerplatte WAS the first battle in WWII. It signaled the start of the German Invasion of Poland. As a direct result of this invasion, France and the entire British Commonwealth, (countries from literally every continent) declared war on Germany. 
In the realm of "WW2 Battles", the first battle is the first domino. Westerplatte was the first battle and is therefore the first domino.
This brings us neatly to PRO's second point:

What's the connection between Westerplatte and the Pacific Theatre?
This point is pretty weak. Even if my opponent convinces you that Westerplatte can't be linked to the Pacific theatre, he concedes that neither can Stalingrad. In fact he goes as far as to say that Guadalcanal was a more important battle than Stalingrad... in the Pacific. 
Last time I checked, Guadalcanal was a WWII battle. He agrees that the Pacific theatre represented at least 50% of WWII. I may not be allowed to argue another battle being more important than Stalingrad, but I can't help it if my opponent wants to! 
Remember my opponent needs to prove that Stalingrad was the MOST important battle. Not first equal. If I were him, I'd stop pushing the importance of Guadalcanal...

Regardless, here is my connection of Westerplatte to the Pacific theatre of war, along the way we are going to link the Soviets, Italy, Japan and the USA as well.

Westerplatte connects to: Russia
This one is pretty easy. Russia had long had designs on Poland, not to mention a few other Eastern European countries. Germany's invasion of Poland, beginning at Westerplatte,  allows Russia to quietly invade as well from the East. When the invasion brings Britain and France into the conflict, Germany is able to run her attentions West as well. This is only possible thanks to the non-aggression pact signed with Russia, signed because Russia is assured half of Poland. 

Westerplatte connects to: Italy
Within a year of Westerplatte, the dominoes have led Germany to the conquest of Northern France. With France so weakened, Italy is able to join forces with the Germans and invade form the South. The German alliance also gives Italy the courage to stretch her arm against the British in North Africa.

Westerplatte connects to: Japan
To have any chance of sustaining her war effort, Germany needs to make pacts. This need ultimately stems from her initial attack at Westerplatte which has started this whole shebang.  She makes one with Russia to protect her Eastern front, she makes one with Italy to protect her Southern front. Her pact with Japan, made in 1940, allows her the opportunity to keep America out of the war. When the Japanese finally attack the USA in 1941, German U-Boats are free to prevent valuable supplies from the USA getting to Britain. 

Westerplatte connects to: USA
With Britain on her last legs, the USA steps up its support. Supplies are flowing directly into Britain, allowing her to continue the war effort. A war effort which was required because of the German attack at Westerplatte. After the Germans are frustrated at the Battle of Britain, Hitler starts looking for an excuse to take the war to America and cut off this supply. 

Westerplatte connects to: The Pacific Theatre
This one flows on from  the previous two. The European theatre, which begins with Westerplatte, has resulted in several links to the Pacific. Countries like Australia, India and New Zealand - among many others, have been sending their fighting men and women away to Europe and Africa. Even Russia, which has had a dust up with Japan fairly recently, has a Pacific border which has been weakened. Japan has been fighting an individual war with China for almost ten years now, and emboldened by the way her Allies in Europe are fairing, and the weaknesses of other Nations around it decides the time is right to bring the pain to the Pacific. It is highly doubtful that this would have happened had there been no European theatre, something which began with that first domino in Westerplatte.    
 
Definition of Importance
I thank my opponent for his concession that "Importance" is a relative term. A relative term which was NOT clearly defined in the resolution. 
I accept his second round definition of relevance. I quote:
" So in order to determine which battle was the most important to the most people, we must look at which battle impacted the most nations and people worldwide." 
As I mentioned in the first round, the Battle at Westerplatte brought France and the British Commonwealth into conflict with Germany and her allies. It ultimately impacted 114 countries and resulted in the death of almost 3% of the total world population. 
In the same way that my opponent claims resulting impacts from the German loss at Stalingrad demonstrate its importance, I claim these resulting impacts from Westerplatte. 
In short, as the catalyst for entire World War, Westerplatte beats Stalingrad in any numbers game.   

The problem with PRO's resolution is that World War II simply can't be traced to any single MOST important battle. During the course of the entire war there are several battles which all historians can agree were critical battles. Had the result of these battles been any different, the result of the war would have been completely changed. Many of these have already been mentioned and yes, Stalingrad is one of them. 
My primary approach to this debate has been to convince you that Westerplatte,  the domino which committed the world to war in the first place had a greater impact than one of several that dictated its result. However that is not the only way this debate gets decided.
During the course of WWII there were several battles that impacted incalculable millions of people as well as dozens of Nations. Ranking them is impossible, but is what PRO needs to do if he wants to win.

Vote CON! 

  

Return To Top | Posted:
2014-10-15 10:27:22
10 years ago
| Speak Round
Bolshevik-Bolshevik- (PRO)
At this point, I clearly cannot win this debate and therefore there is no point in me posting. The previous times I have done this debate I used my own definition of "important" and therefore didn't even think of adding to the rules that this was a debate about which battle had the most effect on the outcome of WWII. Anyway, I congratulate my opponent on his victory.
Return To Top | Posted:
2014-10-15 12:19:18
10 years ago
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nzlockienzlockie (CON)
I thank my opponent for the concession - however I don't accept it. 
I haven't contested his 2nd round definition of "Important" although I'll agree that the resolution didn't link that term with the outcome of the war, thus freeing me to argue the case I have done.

I don't think that this changes anything. My opponent has run a convincing case for Stalingrad being a more important battle than Westerplatte... in my opinion, not as convincing as my case which argues the opposite but then, I'm hardly the least biased person to ask!
This has been an entertaining on the field, albeit at times frustrating off the field, debate and I feel happy enough letting this go through for judgement.

Out of respect for my opponent who has forfeited his opportunity to sum up his side of the case, I will also forfeit my final round and leave this in the hands of the judges. 

Thank you Judges and again, I thank my opponent!
*bows bows bows*

Vote CON - we were so close to total character count last round we didn't even a a chance to do a snappy sign off!
#MaximumEffort 
  

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2014-10-15 12:34:19
10 years ago
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